{"id":4908,"date":"2025-06-23T15:44:10","date_gmt":"2025-06-23T19:44:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/?p=4908"},"modified":"2025-06-23T15:44:10","modified_gmt":"2025-06-23T19:44:10","slug":"ecopolitics-podcast-episode-4-7-the-growth-environmental-debate-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/2025\/ecopolitics-podcast-episode-4-7-the-growth-environmental-debate-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"ECOPOLITICS PODCAST EPISODE 4.7: The Growth-Environmental Debate \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-4909 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN.png 1920w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-240x135.png 240w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-400x225.png 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-160x90.png 160w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/3ci\/wp-content\/uploads\/S4E7-MAIN-360x203.png 360w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the second half of our two-part series on The Growth-Environment Debate, Ryan and Peter explore two of the more provocative discourses in the debate over sustainability and economic growth. What if growth is the problem? And what if it&#8217;s already too late?<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">First, they examine the \u201cOverthrow Growth\u201d discourse through the work of Indigenous activist and economist Winona LaDuke, the principles of degrowth, and the rise of eco-Marxist critiques of capitalism. Then, they delve into a final, sobering discourse: \u201cThe Damage of Growth is Done,\u201d featuring voices like Jem Bendell, who argues that societal collapse is already underway, and that the focus should now be on adaptation and resilience.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This episode continues to unpack the diverse, and at times conflicting, visions for ecological sustainability and economic futures in the Anthropocene. If you haven\u2019t listened to<a href=\"https:\/\/can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecopoliticspodcast.ca%2Fepisode-4-5-the-growth-environmental-debate-part-1%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7CGenevieveHarrison%40Cunet.Carleton.Ca%7Cd885caedf7b94c44a3c308ddb2700037%7C6ad91895de06485ebc51fce126cc8530%7C0%7C0%7C638862916324399469%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=L9zwG5B8W5y5tBIiJfMEqqOl9eRbqQ6xJy%2BcSpfzlNQ%3D&amp;reserved=0\"> Part 1<\/a>, we recommend starting there.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Website:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecopoliticspodcast.ca%2Fepisode-4-7-the-growth-environment-debate-part-2%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7CGenevieveHarrison%40Cunet.Carleton.Ca%7Cd885caedf7b94c44a3c308ddb2700037%7C6ad91895de06485ebc51fce126cc8530%7C0%7C0%7C638862916324426112%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=umRAWF57mu%2FiqY1US9hy0zha0k5rTHSCgcSn%2F0vlsCg%3D&amp;reserved=0\">https:\/\/www.ecopoliticspodcast.ca\/episode-4-7-the-growth-environment-debate-part-2\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Spotify:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fepisode%2F4HAMwnxJgxKBC6lVzrjWvP%3Fsi%3D0021ad4ace4843e5&amp;data=05%7C02%7CGenevieveHarrison%40Cunet.Carleton.Ca%7Cd885caedf7b94c44a3c308ddb2700037%7C6ad91895de06485ebc51fce126cc8530%7C0%7C0%7C638862916324448635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=%2BdZeIgIVKOyBrodDJ2SSG%2BhKEkZ7hmi020NPAHpYUh4%3D&amp;reserved=0\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4HAMwnxJgxKBC6lVzrjWvP?si=0021ad4ace4843e5<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the second half of our two-part series on The Growth-Environment Debate, Ryan and Peter explore two of the more provocative discourses in the debate over sustainability and economic growth. 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