{"id":6020,"date":"2017-05-05T14:08:29","date_gmt":"2017-05-05T18:08:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/?post_type=cu_story&#038;p=6020"},"modified":"2025-10-17T16:48:58","modified_gmt":"2025-10-17T20:48:58","slug":"ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimony-project","status":"publish","type":"cu_story","link":"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/story\/ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimony-project\/","title":{"rendered":"Ottawa Holocaust Survivors Tell Their Stories"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<section class=\"w-screen px-6 cu-section cu-section--white ml-offset-center md:px-8 lg:px-14\">\n    <div class=\"space-y-6 cu-max-w-child-max  md:space-y-10 cu-prose-first-last\">\n\n        \n        \n        \n            \n    <div class=\"cu-wideimage relative flex items-center justify-center mx-auto px-8 overflow-hidden md:px-16 rounded-xl not-prose  my-6 md:my-12 first:mt-0 bg-cu-black-50 pt-10 pb-12\" style=\"\">\n\n        \n        <div class=\"relative z-[2] max-w-4xl w-full flex flex-col items-center gap-2 cu-wideimage-image cu-zero-first-last\">\n            <header class=\"mx-auto mb-6 text-center text-cu-black-800 cu-pageheader cu-component-updated cu-pageheader--center md:mb-12\">\n\n                                    <h1 class=\"cu-prose-first-last font-semibold mb-2 text-3xl md:text-4xl lg:text-5xl lg:leading-[3.5rem] cu-pageheader--center text-center mx-auto after:left-px\">\n                        Ottawa Holocaust Survivors Tell Their Stories\n                    <\/h1>\n                \n                            <\/header>\n        <\/div>\n\n                    <svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"absolute bottom-0 w-full z-[1]\" fill=\"none\" viewbox=\"0 0 1280 312\">\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M26.412 315.608c-.602-.268-6.655-2.412-13.524-4.769a1943.84 1943.84 0 0 1-14.682-5.144l-2.276-.858v-5.358c0-4.876.086-5.358.773-5.09 1.674.643 21.38 5.84 34.646 9.109 14.682 3.59 28.935 6.858 45.936 10.449l9.874 2.089H57.322c-16.4 0-30.31-.16-30.91-.428ZM460.019 315.233c42.974-10.074 75.602-19.88 132.443-39.867 76.16-26.791 152.063-57.709 222.385-90.663 16.7-7.823 21.336-10.074 44.262-21.273 85.004-41.688 134.719-64.193 195.291-88.413 66.55-26.577 145.2-53.584 194.27-66.765C1258.5 5.626 1281.34 0 1282.24 0c.17 0 .34 27.596.34 61.3v61.299l-2.23.375c-84.7 13.718-165.93 35.955-310.736 84.931-46.494 15.753-65.427 22.076-96.166 32.15-9.102 3-24.814 8.198-34.989 11.574-107.543 35.954-153.008 50.422-196.626 62.639l-6.74 1.876-89.126-.054c-78.135-.054-88.782-.161-85.948-.857ZM729.628 312.875c33.229-10.985 69.248-23.523 127.506-44.207 118.705-42.223 164.596-57.709 217.446-73.302 2.62-.75 8.29-2.465 12.67-3.751 56.19-16.772 126.94-33.597 184.17-43.671 5.07-.91 9.66-1.768 10.22-1.875l.94-.161v170.236l-281.28-.054H719.968l9.66-3.215ZM246.864 313.411c-65.041-2.251-143.047-12.11-208.432-26.256-18.375-3.965-41.73-9.538-42.202-10.074-.171-.214-.257-21.38-.214-47.046l.129-46.618 6.654 3.697c57.313 32.043 118.491 56.531 197.699 79.143 40.313 11.521 83.459 18.058 138.669 21.059 15.584.857 65.685.857 81.14 0 33.744-1.876 61.306-4.93 88.396-9.806 6.396-1.126 11.634-1.983 11.722-1.929.255.375-20.48 7.769-30.999 11.038-28.592 8.948-59.288 15.646-91.873 20.147-26.36 3.59-50.015 5.627-78.35 6.698-15.584.59-55.209.59-72.339-.053Z\"><\/path>\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M-3.066 295.067 32.06 304.1v9.033H-3.066v-18.066Z\"><\/path>\n            <\/svg>\n            <\/div>\n\n    \n\n    <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<p>Kati Morrison was four years old when her grandmother pulled her and her year-old sister into the dimness of a stairwell and saved their lives. The three waited silently while the other 100 or so residents of the building \u2013 neighbours, friends, Kati\u2019s great aunt \u2013 were marched away to the edge of the Danube, methodically lined up and shot. It was January 1945 in Budapest, Hungary and the Second World War and its black shadow, the Holocaust, had four murderous months left to run.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This chilling incident is part of Morrison\u2019s story of surviving the Holocaust, which she tells with calm dignity. She has told it to countless students in the Ottawa area over the last 12 years, and now it is captured on film and <a href=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/ches\/ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimonials\/\" target=\"_blank\">available online<\/a> as one of a collection of 10 stories that make up the Ottawa Holocaust Survivors Testimony Project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone size-full wp-image-6043\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"680\" src=\"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7.jpg\" alt=\"Shoes on the Danube Bank is a memorial in Budapest to honor the people (mostly Jews) who were killed by the fascist Arrow Cross militiamen in Budapest during World War II. Jewish people, like Morrison\u2019s great aunt, were marched away to the edge of the Danube, methodically lined up and shot.\" class=\"wp-image-6043\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7-400x227.jpg 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7-768x435.jpg 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7-700x397.jpg 700w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_7-200x113.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Shoes on the Danube Bank is a memorial in Budapest to honor the people (mostly Jews) who were killed by the fascist Arrow Cross militiamen in Budapest during World War II. Jewish people, like Morrison\u2019s great aunt, were marched away to the edge of the Danube, methodically lined up and shot.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;There is nothing more powerful than first-hand testimony,&#8221; says Mina Cohn, director of Carleton\u2019s Centre for Holocaust Education and Scholarship (CHES), which organized the initiative after opening as Ottawa\u2019s first Holocaust centre in 2015.<\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignfull wp-image-6033 size-full w-screen ml-offset-center cu-max-w-child-max px-4 md:px-6 lg:px-12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"680\" src=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6033\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3-400x227.jpg 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3-768x435.jpg 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3-700x397.jpg 700w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_3-200x113.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n<h2 id=\"the-importance-of-remembrance\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Importance of Remembrance<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The impetus was the dwindling number of Holocaust survivors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Most of those who were adults in 1939, when the war started, are very old or no longer with us,&#8221; says Cohn.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"not-prose cu-quote cu-component-spacing\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;We needed to find a way to preserve the stories of the remaining survivors in the Ottawa area.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>The 10 testimonies, each of which covers life before, during and after the war, as well as survivor perspectives on the importance of remembrance, present a range of experiences, from working amid atrocities in Nazi concentration camps to hiding in a dugout in Ukraine for two years. The oldest participant was 17 at the start of the war, and the youngest was a baby.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone size-full wp-image-6042\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"680\" src=\"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6.jpg\" alt=\"Morrison's paternal grandparents, Jozsef and Hani Fisch, aged 64, were transported to Auschwitz. Both died en route: her grandmother had a stroke and was thrown off the cattle car. Her grandfather jumped after her, and was immediately shot.\" class=\"wp-image-6042\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6-400x227.jpg 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6-768x435.jpg 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6-700x397.jpg 700w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_6-200x113.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Morrison&#8217;s paternal grandparents, Jozsef and Hani Fisch, aged 64, were transported to Auschwitz. Both died en route: her grandmother had a stroke and was thrown off the cattle car. Her grandfather jumped after her, and was immediately shot.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The films, which were crafted to industry standards at <a href=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/mpc\/\" target=\"_blank\">Carleton\u2019s Media Production Centre<\/a>, were edited to about 30 minutes to ensure sufficient time for class discussion; two-minute excerpts are also available for quick review. In the project\u2019s next phase, the CHES committee is developing resources for each film that will also be available online. They also offer a teachers\u2019 workshop. The response from area institutions and schools, Cohn reports, has been encouraging.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Researchers and historians, meanwhile, can find the 10 hours of original, unedited interviews in the archives of Carleton\u2019s MacOdrum Library.<\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignfull wp-image-6032 size-full w-screen ml-offset-center cu-max-w-child-max px-4 md:px-6 lg:px-12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"680\" src=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6032\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2-400x227.jpg 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2-768x435.jpg 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2-700x397.jpg 700w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_2-200x113.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n<h2 id=\"an-important-resource-for-research\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">An Important Resource for Research<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cMy hope is that the university will promote this valuable, authentic primary research material,\u201d says Cohn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Annette Wildgoose was a volunteer for the project, which was completed on a shoestring budget that was crowdfunded on Carleton\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/futurefunder.carleton.ca\/\" target=\"_blank\">FutureFunder<\/a> platform. She got involved for personal reasons: her mother was a Holocaust survivor and Wildgoose left it too late to talk to her about what happened.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"not-prose cu-quote cu-component-spacing\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cI wish I had asked more questions. Her story was important to what remains of our family.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Wildgoose\u2019s role was to conduct pre-interviews with Morrison and with another survivor, Elly Bollegraaf. She was more nervous than they were and she remains in awe of their strength.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIt takes guts to relive those stories. They are remarkable people and demonstrate, in person and on video, tremendous resilience. But they know that if they don\u2019t speak about this, no one else will.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone size-full wp-image-6040\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"680\" src=\"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4.jpg\" alt=\" The foyer of the 'safe house' that Morrison and members of her family stayed in during the war.\" class=\"wp-image-6040\" srcset=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4-400x227.jpg 400w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4-768x435.jpg 768w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4-700x397.jpg 700w, https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/reliving_the_holocaust_1200w_4-200x113.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The foyer of the &#8216;safe house&#8217; that Morrison and members of her family stayed in during the war.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Morrison, who emigrated to Canada in 1967 and worked as a psychiatrist, continues to visit schools. \u201cIt\u2019s worth the price. The children are very attentive and thoughtful.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>She, in turn, is inspired by educators who teach how to raise children who will speak out when others are being bullied or intimidated and stand up against intolerance and prejudice, regardless of peer pressure.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"not-prose cu-quote cu-component-spacing\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cI go to the schools to help students understand that there is no such thing as a silent bystander. Everyone who allows cruelty to take place is a participant.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>All three women see a new timeliness for the Holocaust testimonies in today\u2019s political climate. As Wildgoose says: \u201cWhen we know what happened when racism and violence took over, we learn to be kinder to one other. We learn not to turn our backs.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Watch the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/ches\/ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimonials\/\" target=\"_blank\">two-minute excerpts<\/a> and&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/ches\/ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimonials\/full-length\/\" target=\"_blank\">full-length films<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/futurefunder.carleton.ca\/giving-fund\/ottawa-holocaust-survivors-testimony-project\/\" target=\"_blank\">Click here<\/a> to view the Carleton FutureFunder page for this project.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kati Morrison was four years old when her grandmother pulled her and her year-old sister into the dimness of a stairwell and saved their lives. 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