{"id":91946,"date":"2024-04-26T10:14:42","date_gmt":"2024-04-26T14:14:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/?post_type=cu_story&#038;p=91946"},"modified":"2025-08-19T09:37:02","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T13:37:02","slug":"3-body-problem-planetary-orbit","status":"publish","type":"cu_story","link":"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/story\/3-body-problem-planetary-orbit\/","title":{"rendered":"The Planetary Orbit in Netflix&#8217;s &#8216;3 Body Problem&#8217; Is Random and Chaotic, but Could It Exist?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<section class=\"w-screen px-6 cu-section cu-section--white ml-offset-center md:px-8 lg:px-14\">\n    <div class=\"space-y-6 cu-max-w-child-max  md:space-y-10 cu-prose-first-last\">\n\n        \n                    \n                    \n            \n    <div class=\"cu-wideimage relative flex items-center justify-center mx-auto px-8 overflow-hidden md:px-16 rounded-xl not-prose  my-6 md:my-12 first:mt-0 bg-opacity-50 bg-cover bg-cu-black-50 pt-24 pb-32 md:pt-28 md:pb-44 lg:pt-36 lg:pb-60 xl:pt-48 xl:pb-72\" style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/3-body-problem-1200x900-1.jpg); background-position: 50% 50%;\">\n\n                    <div class=\"absolute top-0 w-full h-screen\" style=\"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.600);\"><\/div>\n        \n        <div class=\"relative z-[2] max-w-4xl w-full flex flex-col items-center gap-2 cu-wideimage-image cu-zero-first-last\">\n            <header class=\"mx-auto mb-6 text-center text-white cu-pageheader cu-component-updated cu-pageheader--center md:mb-12\">\n\n                                    <h1 class=\"cu-prose-first-last font-semibold mb-2 text-3xl md:text-4xl lg:text-5xl lg:leading-[3.5rem] cu-pageheader--center text-center mx-auto after:left-px\">\n                        The Planetary Orbit in Netflix&#039;s &#039;3 Body Problem&#039; Is Random and Chaotic, but Could It Exist?\n                    <\/h1>\n                \n                            <\/header>\n        <\/div>\n\n                    <svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"absolute bottom-0 w-full z-[1]\" fill=\"none\" viewbox=\"0 0 1280 312\">\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M26.412 315.608c-.602-.268-6.655-2.412-13.524-4.769a1943.84 1943.84 0 0 1-14.682-5.144l-2.276-.858v-5.358c0-4.876.086-5.358.773-5.09 1.674.643 21.38 5.84 34.646 9.109 14.682 3.59 28.935 6.858 45.936 10.449l9.874 2.089H57.322c-16.4 0-30.31-.16-30.91-.428ZM460.019 315.233c42.974-10.074 75.602-19.88 132.443-39.867 76.16-26.791 152.063-57.709 222.385-90.663 16.7-7.823 21.336-10.074 44.262-21.273 85.004-41.688 134.719-64.193 195.291-88.413 66.55-26.577 145.2-53.584 194.27-66.765C1258.5 5.626 1281.34 0 1282.24 0c.17 0 .34 27.596.34 61.3v61.299l-2.23.375c-84.7 13.718-165.93 35.955-310.736 84.931-46.494 15.753-65.427 22.076-96.166 32.15-9.102 3-24.814 8.198-34.989 11.574-107.543 35.954-153.008 50.422-196.626 62.639l-6.74 1.876-89.126-.054c-78.135-.054-88.782-.161-85.948-.857ZM729.628 312.875c33.229-10.985 69.248-23.523 127.506-44.207 118.705-42.223 164.596-57.709 217.446-73.302 2.62-.75 8.29-2.465 12.67-3.751 56.19-16.772 126.94-33.597 184.17-43.671 5.07-.91 9.66-1.768 10.22-1.875l.94-.161v170.236l-281.28-.054H719.968l9.66-3.215ZM246.864 313.411c-65.041-2.251-143.047-12.11-208.432-26.256-18.375-3.965-41.73-9.538-42.202-10.074-.171-.214-.257-21.38-.214-47.046l.129-46.618 6.654 3.697c57.313 32.043 118.491 56.531 197.699 79.143 40.313 11.521 83.459 18.058 138.669 21.059 15.584.857 65.685.857 81.14 0 33.744-1.876 61.306-4.93 88.396-9.806 6.396-1.126 11.634-1.983 11.722-1.929.255.375-20.48 7.769-30.999 11.038-28.592 8.948-59.288 15.646-91.873 20.147-26.36 3.59-50.015 5.627-78.35 6.698-15.584.59-55.209.59-72.339-.053Z\"><\/path>\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M-3.066 295.067 32.06 304.1v9.033H-3.066v-18.066Z\"><\/path>\n            <\/svg>\n            <\/div>\n\n    \n\n    <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<p>This article is <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/the-planetary-orbit-in-netflixs-3-body-problem-is-random-and-chaotic-but-could-it-exist-226672\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">republished<\/a> from The Conversation under a Creative Commons licence. All photos provided by <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Conversation<\/a> from various sources.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/physics.carleton.ca\/people\/retired-faculty\/dr-peter-watson\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Peter Watson<\/a> is a emeritus professor of physics at Carleton University. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Note: The following article contains spoilers about the Netflix series &#8220;3 Body Problem.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I first encountered the three-body problem 60 years ago, in a short story called &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.isfdb.org\/cgi-bin\/title.cgi?41055\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Placet is a Crazy Place<\/a>&#8221; by American science fiction writer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fantasticfiction.com\/b\/fredric-brown\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Frederic Brown<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In Brown&#8217;s story, Placet is a planet in a figure-of-eight orbit around two stars, one of which is composed of ordinary matter, the other of anti-matter. The closeness of the two stars cause time and space to become wonderfully distorted so that Placet can eclipse itself. But, intriguingly, the orbit is assumed to be stable and predictable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chinese science fiction writer Liu Cixin&#8217;s epic trilogy, <em>Rememberance of Earth&#8217;s Past<\/em>, returns to imagining what could happen when three celestial bodies are in orbit around each other. The first instalment, <em>The Three-Body Problem<\/em>, has been adapted into a series by Netflix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mogSbMD6EcY?wmode=transparent&amp;start=0\" width=\"800\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The opening scenes of <em>3 Body Problem<\/em>, set in Beijing in the early days of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/world\/2016\/may\/11\/the-cultural-revolution-50-years-on-all-you-need-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cultural Revolution<\/a>, are particularly powerful. The characters in the series are flawed \u2014 the scientists are highly intelligent, but their ambitions, failings and fears are all too clear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"random-motion\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Random motion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The plot of <em>3 Body Problem<\/em> involves an alien race, known as the Trisolarians, inhabiting a planet orbiting a nearby star system, known as Alpha Centauri. This consists of three stars that follow continuously changing orbits, causing the planet to go from bitter cold to searing heat in a matter of minutes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The motion of the stars is unpredictable, so the Trisolarians cannot anticipate the arrival of the so-called chaotic eras that lead to the planet-wide destruction of their environment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Intriguingly, Alpha Centauri actually is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/image-article\/alpha-centauri-triple-star-system-about-4-light-years-from-earth\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a triple-star system<\/a>, consisting of two stars that orbit each other closely over a period of nearly 80 years, and a much more distant third star. This is very different from the system represented in <em>3 Body Problem<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So could we imagine a system where the stars are so close together in their orbits that their motion becomes random?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/590179\/original\/file-20240424-22-h8gz1d.jpg\" alt=\"two bright stars against a dark background\" border=\"0\"><br>\n<span class=\"caption\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">A three-body system made up of the stars Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B (shown here), plus the faint red dwarf Alpha Centauri C, also known as Proxima Centauri. <a class=\"source\" href=\"https:\/\/images.nasa.gov\/details\/GSFC_20171208_Archive_e000214\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">(ESA\/NASA)<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"possible-orbits\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Possible orbits<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The answer lies at the heart of theoretical physics. Isaac Newton <a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/newton-principia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">famously solved the two-body problem<\/a> for the Earth-moon system in the 1660s, so we can predict the moon&#8217;s orbit with extraordinary precision.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is a little surprising that this works so well, because we are ignoring the sun which would turn it into a three-body problem. The trick to handling this (one of many) is that we can find a solution that works for the Earth-moon and then add in the effect of the sun, which turns out to be small.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We have learned a great deal since Newton. There is no general solution for the three-body problem: we cannot write down a formula for how three bodies will move in general. We have found <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1088\/0034-4885\/77\/6\/065901\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a whole host of special cases<\/a>; even the figure-of-eight orbit of the fictional Placet is possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, the James Webb telescope has been ingeniously placed to provide another solution for the three-body problem. It orbits around the sun, beyond the moon&#8217;s orbit of the Earth, so it can be shielded <a href=\"https:\/\/webb.nasa.gov\/content\/about\/orbit.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">from radiation as much as possible<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is complicated but straightforward for a computer to find solutions for the three-body problem. Cosmologists have been using computational analysis to construct increasingly complex models of how the universe evolved from an almost totally uniform beginning to its present stage. These models <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.48550\/arXiv.2203.08056\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">typically run with more than 10 billion bodies<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"chaotic-systems\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Chaotic systems<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>So why should we be interested in something as mundane as three bodies? Because if we have a system of three objects, all massive and fairly close, their motion is chaotic. This means that even though we can find out almost exactly what happens to them over a short period of time, it becomes unpredictable over a long time. But note that I have not told you what long and short means in this context.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/590205\/original\/file-20240424-16-9sjpxp.gif\" alt=\"an animation of three dots moving around each other\" border=\"0\"><br>\n<span class=\"caption\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">In this animated rendering of the three-body problem, three bodies orbit each other in a random manner. (<a class=\"source\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Three-body_problem#\/media\/File:Three-body_Problem_Animation_with_COM.gif\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">(Dnttllthmmnm\/Wikimedia Commons)<\/a>, <a class=\"license\" href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/4.0\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">CC BY<\/a>)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We can get a feeling for this if we look at the weather, another chaotic system, and specifically hurricanes. We can accurately predict where a hurricane will make landfall 12 hours in advance \u2014 two days in advance we can make a rough prediction, but a week in advance is impossible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As three bodies in orbit move, they dance across the sky in an extraordinarily complex fashion. We have no way of guessing where each of the bodies might be located in 1,000 years. They may not even be around: there are examples where one of the stars in a polyamorous threesome would be ejected totally, <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1111\/j.1365-2966.2010.17446.x\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">leaving behind a double-star system<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"unpredictable-systems\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Unpredictable systems<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In <em>3 Body Problem<\/em> the challenge is that the orbits cause the climate to flip with essentially no warning. This is characteristic of a different kind of situation, a so-called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/topics\/computer-science\/stochastic-problem\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">stochastic problem<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A classic example is a drunk trying to navigate his way to the door, when every step is followed by another in a random direction. You cannot predict where the next step will take him, but you can say that he will eventually reach the door. It is a little bit scary that such systems are at the heart of our civilization, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.diva-portal.org\/smash\/get\/diva2:393013\/FULLTEXT01.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">as demonstrated by the gyrations of the stock market<\/a>. But stars \u2014 and the climate they produce \u2014 are not stochastic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The fictional Alpha Centauri that the Trisolarians inhabit represents a chaotic system, predictable accurately in the short term but unpredictable over thousands of years. But it would be much simpler for them to predict it than to invade Earth. As with a lot of science fiction, enjoy it for the fiction and not the science.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>_<br>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\">Carleton Newsroom<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/counter.theconversation.com\/content\/226672\/count.gif?distributor=republish-lightbox-basic\" alt=\"The Conversation\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I first encountered the three-body problem 60 years ago, in a short story called &#8220;Placet is a Crazy Place&#8221; by American science fiction writer Frederic Brown. 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