{"id":95712,"date":"2025-04-29T10:02:47","date_gmt":"2025-04-29T14:02:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newsroom.carleton.ca\/?post_type=cu_story&#038;p=95712"},"modified":"2025-08-19T09:36:59","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T13:36:59","slug":"white-lotus-music-creative-differences","status":"publish","type":"cu_story","link":"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/story\/white-lotus-music-creative-differences\/","title":{"rendered":"White Lotus&#8217; Music: When Talented Creators Strive To Realize Their Visions, Differences and Chattering Can Erupt"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<section class=\"w-screen px-6 cu-section cu-section--white ml-offset-center md:px-8 lg:px-14\">\n    <div class=\"space-y-6 cu-max-w-child-max  md:space-y-10 cu-prose-first-last\">\n\n        \n                    \n                    \n            \n    <div class=\"cu-wideimage relative flex items-center justify-center mx-auto px-8 overflow-hidden md:px-16 rounded-xl not-prose  my-6 md:my-12 first:mt-0 bg-opacity-50 bg-cover bg-cu-black-50 pt-24 pb-32 md:pt-28 md:pb-44 lg:pt-36 lg:pb-60 xl:pt-48 xl:pb-72\" style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/carleton.ca\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/162\/hbo-white-lotus-1200x900-1.jpg); background-position: 50% 50%;\">\n\n                    <div class=\"absolute top-0 w-full h-screen\" style=\"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.600);\"><\/div>\n        \n        <div class=\"relative z-[2] max-w-4xl w-full flex flex-col items-center gap-2 cu-wideimage-image cu-zero-first-last\">\n            <header class=\"mx-auto mb-6 text-center text-white cu-pageheader cu-component-updated cu-pageheader--center md:mb-12\">\n\n                                    <h1 class=\"cu-prose-first-last font-semibold mb-2 text-3xl md:text-4xl lg:text-5xl lg:leading-[3.5rem] cu-pageheader--center text-center mx-auto after:left-px\">\n                        White Lotus&#039; Music: When Talented Creators Strive To Realize Their Visions, Differences and Chattering Can Erupt\n                    <\/h1>\n                \n                            <\/header>\n        <\/div>\n\n                    <svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"absolute bottom-0 w-full z-[1]\" fill=\"none\" viewbox=\"0 0 1280 312\">\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M26.412 315.608c-.602-.268-6.655-2.412-13.524-4.769a1943.84 1943.84 0 0 1-14.682-5.144l-2.276-.858v-5.358c0-4.876.086-5.358.773-5.09 1.674.643 21.38 5.84 34.646 9.109 14.682 3.59 28.935 6.858 45.936 10.449l9.874 2.089H57.322c-16.4 0-30.31-.16-30.91-.428ZM460.019 315.233c42.974-10.074 75.602-19.88 132.443-39.867 76.16-26.791 152.063-57.709 222.385-90.663 16.7-7.823 21.336-10.074 44.262-21.273 85.004-41.688 134.719-64.193 195.291-88.413 66.55-26.577 145.2-53.584 194.27-66.765C1258.5 5.626 1281.34 0 1282.24 0c.17 0 .34 27.596.34 61.3v61.299l-2.23.375c-84.7 13.718-165.93 35.955-310.736 84.931-46.494 15.753-65.427 22.076-96.166 32.15-9.102 3-24.814 8.198-34.989 11.574-107.543 35.954-153.008 50.422-196.626 62.639l-6.74 1.876-89.126-.054c-78.135-.054-88.782-.161-85.948-.857ZM729.628 312.875c33.229-10.985 69.248-23.523 127.506-44.207 118.705-42.223 164.596-57.709 217.446-73.302 2.62-.75 8.29-2.465 12.67-3.751 56.19-16.772 126.94-33.597 184.17-43.671 5.07-.91 9.66-1.768 10.22-1.875l.94-.161v170.236l-281.28-.054H719.968l9.66-3.215ZM246.864 313.411c-65.041-2.251-143.047-12.11-208.432-26.256-18.375-3.965-41.73-9.538-42.202-10.074-.171-.214-.257-21.38-.214-47.046l.129-46.618 6.654 3.697c57.313 32.043 118.491 56.531 197.699 79.143 40.313 11.521 83.459 18.058 138.669 21.059 15.584.857 65.685.857 81.14 0 33.744-1.876 61.306-4.93 88.396-9.806 6.396-1.126 11.634-1.983 11.722-1.929.255.375-20.48 7.769-30.999 11.038-28.592 8.948-59.288 15.646-91.873 20.147-26.36 3.59-50.015 5.627-78.35 6.698-15.584.59-55.209.59-72.339-.053Z\"><\/path>\n                <path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M-3.066 295.067 32.06 304.1v9.033H-3.066v-18.066Z\"><\/path>\n            <\/svg>\n            <\/div>\n\n    \n\n    <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<p>This article is <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/white-lotus-music-when-talented-creators-strive-to-realize-their-visions-differences-and-chattering-can-erupt-254032\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">republished<\/a> from The Conversation under a Creative Commons licence. All photos provided by <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Conversation<\/a> from various sources.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/carleton.ca\/music\/people\/deaville-james\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">James Deaville<\/a> is a professor of music at Carleton University.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>After the first two seasons of <em>The White Lotus<\/em> (set respectively in Hawaii and Sicily), the buzz in the media and on social media typically focused on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cheatsheet.com\/news\/the-white-lotus-season-2-cast-fans-request-3-hbo-stars.html\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">selection of the next site<\/a> for the award-winning show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not so much in 2025, after the close of Season 3&#8217;s Thailand-based episodes. Instead, the internet and social media have been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/entertainment\/music\/2025\/04\/07\/white-lotus-composer-soundtrack-christobal-tapia-de-veer\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">alive with chatter<\/a> over the announcement by Canadian Chilean composer Crist\u00f3bal Tapia de Veer that he was quitting the mega-hit franchise to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/TheWhiteLotusHBO\/comments\/1jq3nfq\/white_lotus_theme_song_composer_crist%C3%B3bal_tapia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">shock and disappointment<\/a> of many of the show&#8217;s fans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tapia de Veer revealed his intention in an interview with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/04\/02\/style\/white-lotus-composer-season-4-leaving.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the <em>New York Times<\/em><\/a> published April 2, just <a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/timlammers\/2025\/04\/04\/what-time-is-the-white-lotus-season-3-finale-this-weekend\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">four days before<\/a> the season&#8217;s finale, which aired to a <a href=\"https:\/\/programminginsider.com\/sunday-ratings-the-white-lotus-on-hbo-reaches-record-viewership-with-third-season-finale\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">series-record viewership<\/a>. His departure announcement, twinned with criticism of <em>White Lotus<\/em> writer, creator and showrunner Mike White, has highlighted issues with creative tensions behind such collaborative productions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/6iRn2sxI9EU?wmode=transparent&amp;start=0\" width=\"800\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"acclaimed-music\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Acclaimed music<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The Qu\u00e9bec-trained composer&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.televisionacademy.com\/bios\/cristobal-tapia-de-veer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2022 and 2023 music-related <em>White Lotus<\/em> Emmy awards<\/a> recognize his aural contributions to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.televisionacademy.com\/shows\/white-lotus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">highly awarded hit series<\/a>. The music&#8217;s idiosyncratic mixture of a recognizable theme, bizarre vocalizations and site-based instrumentation has received <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/tv-and-radio\/2025\/feb\/18\/new-white-lotus-theme-tune-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a lot of popular attention and acclaim<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In contrast, some members of the public <a href=\"https:\/\/exclaim.ca\/music\/article\/here-s-why-they-changed-the-white-lotus-theme-song\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reacted with hostility<\/a> toward this season&#8217;s theme music. This was partly because it did not use the identifiable thematic material that bound together the first seasons: a four-note theme that has been transliterated as &#8220;ooh-loo-loo-loos&#8221; and was the basis for the title theme music in the first two seasons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Season 3 theme nevertheless sounds familiar due to Tapia de Veer&#8217;s ongoing quirky <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2021\/08\/21\/1029957360\/music-moment-white-lotus-composer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">use of the voice<\/a>. Novel ways of using it have been the foundations of all the <em>Lotus<\/em> themes, and in Season 3, <a href=\"https:\/\/screenrant.com\/the-white-lotus-season-3-monkeys-meaning-theories-explainer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">it imitated monkey sounds<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As White said in a statement about the show: &#8220;There&#8217;s this kind of conflict between wanting to be this spiritual creature that has an idealism and working towards something that&#8217;s some semblance of goodness, and then there&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/parade.com\/tv\/what-do-the-monkeys-symbolize-in-the-white-lotus-season-3#\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">this antic monkey side that keeps putting you in situations that are compromised<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"ooh-loo-loos-and-creative-differences\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">&#8216;Ooh-loo-loos&#8217; and creative differences<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Still, Tapia de Veer said he knew his novel Season 3 approach was a &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.today.com\/popculture\/tv\/mike-white-responds-white-lotus-composer-quitting-rcna200242\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kind of a risk<\/a>,&#8221; to the extent that he produced an extended version with the traditional &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/entertainment-arts\/tv\/story\/2025-04-03\/white-lotus-composer-exits-mike-white\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ooh-loo-loo-loos<\/a>&#8221; for insertion later in the show, but White rejected the idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the composer, White wanted &#8220;more of a &#8216;chill, sexy vibe'&#8221; compared to Tapia de Veer&#8217;s more experimental tracks. On the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=SYfs9l3e6kM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Howard Stern Show<\/em><\/a>, when asked what happened, White had a different perspective, saying: &#8220;I honestly don&#8217;t know what happened. Reading the interviews \u2026 I just don&#8217;t think he respected me.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The director said he didn&#8217;t think they had fought, and expressed dismay that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/tvshowbiz\/article-14590497\/White-Lotus-producer-theme-song-composer-controversy.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tapia de Veer brought criticisms and perceived differences<\/a> to the media.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To this, Tapia de Veer told <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/cdxnnq661q5o\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the BBC<\/a> he went public because White hadn&#8217;t handled the news &#8220;in a normal business manner,&#8221; and he said White&#8217;s comments on the Stern show demonstrated the director doesn&#8217;t fully appreciate the importance of the music on the show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On his YouTube channel, Tapia de Veer has uploaded another variant of the theme (&#8220;Enlightenment&#8221;) under the track title &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oOjNnOKDutY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Full Moon Party<\/a>,&#8221; as well as a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LCgmQuPJFHc&amp;t=1929s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">45-minute loop<\/a> of the 11-note theme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What unites the Season 3 tracks is the leaping, non-melodic theme, repeated over and over in changing synthesizer settings. The composer has said <a href=\"https:\/\/filmmusicreporter.com\/2025\/04\/08\/the-white-lotus-season-3-soundtrack-release-plans-canceled\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">no soundtrack album<\/a> for Season 3 will be forthcoming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"scores-gives-unity-through-themes\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Scores gives unity through themes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The positions of White and Tapia de Veer equally suggest a lack of effective communication, and as named or all but named by both parties, a lack of respect. Both are crucial elements behind the interpersonal relationships required in audiovisual production.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.manchesterhive.com\/display\/9781526107718\/9781526107718.00007.xml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">traditional collaboration<\/a>, the composer falls under the leadership of the director or showrunner, not least because the music is the final audiovisual element added to the mix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Q_ZKWiqcsbo?wmode=transparent&amp;start=0\" width=\"800\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By the time the film text reaches the composer, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ascap.com\/help\/music-business-101\/music-money-success-movies\/movies-part3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the visual track and dialogue have been locked<\/a> \u2014 shooting is completed \u2014 yet it lacks the decisive contribution the score makes in defining characters, establishing moods and atmospheres, and giving unity to the whole through recurring themes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The composer may work at their own keyboard or digital audio workstation, yet customarily <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stage32.com\/blog\/how-to-make-the-director-film-composer-collaboration-sing-3455\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in collaboration<\/a> with the project&#8217;s other creative forces, especially the director.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"notorious-score-differences\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Notorious score differences<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Differences between film directors or television producers and composers are not new, the most notorious being Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s rejection of <a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/culture\/2014\/12\/alex-norths-2001-score-watch-the-original-music-for-kubricks-space-odyssey-video.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Alex North&#8217;s<\/a> score for <em>2001: A Space Odyssey<\/em>. This was in favour of the music Kubrick had chosen to temporarily accompany the visual track.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In another well-known instance, Alfred Hitchcock \u2014 under pressure from executives at Universal \u2014 replaced the <em>Torn Curtain<\/em> score (1966) by long-term collaborator <a href=\"http:\/\/bernardherrmann.org\/articles\/misc-torncurtain\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bernard Herrmann<\/a> with more contemporary-sounding music by John Addison, which ended the decade-long association of composer and director.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More recently, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.screendaily.com\/features\/gabriel-yared-on-scoring-betty-blue-working-with-minghella-and-being-fired-from-troy\/5154155.article\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Gabriel Yared<\/a>&#8216;s score for <em>Troy<\/em> (2004), directed by Wolfgang Petersen, was replaced with one by James Horner, because test audiences disapproved of Yared&#8217;s music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"composer-withdrawls-rare\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Composer withdrawls rare<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>With <em>The White Lotus<\/em>, however, we have a composer walking away from a job in a very public way. A composer&#8217;s resignation is not without precedent, yet it remains considerably rarer than their firing. Major film scorer <a href=\"https:\/\/dimitritiomkin.com\/13966\/december-2018-why-did-dimitri-tiomkin-bow-out-of-scoring-two-robert-aldrich-films\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dmitri Tiomkin<\/a> withdrew from two early 1960s projects directed by Robert Aldrich, but because of other commitments rather than any disagreement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In contrast, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/stage\/2013\/sep\/28\/west-side-story-composer-almost-gave-up-on-show#:%7E:text=A%20new%2C%20comprehensive%20collection%20of,had%20popped%20up%22%20between%20them.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Leonard Bernstein<\/a> did threaten to walk away from <em>West Side Story<\/em> in 1949 over creative tensions with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/stage\/2017\/sep\/18\/how-we-made-west-side-story-stephen-sondheim-chita-rivera-musicals\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">writer Arthur Laurents<\/a> \u2014 still, this was communicated privately.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Canadian composer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.screendaily.com\/shore-leaves-kong-after-differences-with-jackson\/4024749.article#%22%22\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Howard Shore<\/a> withdrew from Peter Jackson&#8217;s <em>King Kong<\/em> (2005), but in this case, Shore said the parting was amicable and related to &#8220;differing creative aspirations.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"future-seasons\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Future seasons?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The drama around <em>White Lotus<\/em> music is unique because both director and composer have talked with the press.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If we look beyond the specifics of the music, however, we realize that this is not just about a (new) theme song and its use (or non-use) in the series. Rather, the &#8220;differences&#8221; cut to the heart of the often fraught <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@composerjawn\/the-importance-of-strong-communication-between-film-directors-and-composers-269ff69509bc\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">working relationship<\/a> between highly talented creators who strive to realize their visions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What does this mean for the music for Season 4 of <em>The White Lotus<\/em>? White has not suggested a successor, so commentators have fixated on the disagreements over Season 3 rather than speculating about a future sound. 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